Is there a thread on here any where on how to do them right? I'm going to cut the one's out on my 51 Dodge. A friend has a 39 ply that someone did and they look good. I'm going to make a card board pattern from them. It looks like they used 1/4 steel rod welded on the inside and bent the lip around it. I've heard of using conduct, and I seen the 1 on the barrel route. I want something that doesn't look wacked up. Any pics would be great.