Was at the Shades of the past car show yesterday. As I was leaving I was looking at a Woodward Fab bead roller. It has a 1/2 in thick frame and looked pretty good. The stand wasn't much. Got to talking to the guy, ended up buying it for $149. It has 12 dies with it. I built a better stand, seems to work better than the HF rollers. Been wanting one, I think it'll do what I want.